Jeremy Corbyn is the politician most opposed to
nuclear weapons I have ever met.
Up to the summer of 2015, when he first won the
leadership of the Labour Party, he spent the rpeviouis decade chairing the all-party Parliamentary CND
group, of a few dozen members , each month taking away actions to write to
ministers, approach select committee chairpersons, try to secure a parliamentary
debate or lead a delegation to an embassy, or international forum (such as the regular
nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty review conference or the international
Conference on the Humanitarian Impact of
Nuclear Weapons in Vienna in December 2014 (https://www.bmeia.gv.at/en/european-foreign-policy/disarmament/weapons-of-mass-destruction/nuclear-weapons-and-nuclear-terrorism/vienna-conference-on-the-humanitarian-impact-of-nuclear-weapons/,)- all aimed at securing UK and global nuclear disarmament.
As Labour Party leader, he has been put under political
pressure by the very narrow and industrial sectoral interests of the Unite the
Union, which has thousands of members in the work force of the BAe Trident
submarine construction shipyard in Barrow-in-Furness, to skew Labour’s entire defence and security policy to selfishly defend
and secure the jobs of its local members,
at the cost of wider morality and social public spending, while wasting £205,000,000,000 (£205 billion) of a nuclear killing
system of mass destruction: Trident.
As a result of this pernicious arm-twisting and behind
the scenes threats of withdrawal of political- and maybe financial – support too,
the temperamentally non-confrontational Jeremy Corbyn cracked, and agreed to
include Trident renewal in the Labour manifesto for Labour’s 2017 General
Election
Mr Corbyn told the BBC on Saturday said: "The
manifesto makes it very clear that the Labour Party has come to a decision and is committed to Trident (“Labour is "committed" to renewing Trident
nuclear weapons, Jeremy Corbyn has stressed, after disagreement between two of
his frontbenchers, “ BBC ON LINE, 20 May 2017; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39984070)
Jeremy Corbyn
does not believe in Trident, or any nuclear weapons. He knows they are a threat
to humanity’s very existence; they are an atomic abhorrence to him.
In July last
year he spoke against Trident renewal as Labour Party leader in a House of Commons
debate. Below is the authentic view of Jeremy Corbyn, not the one he endorsed in
Labour’s dishonest manifesto.
Unite members
and its leadership should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Jeremy Corbyn – 2016 Speech on the dangers of Nuclear Weapons and renewal of Trident
Below is the text of the speech made
by Jeremy Corbyn, the Leader of the Opposition, in the House of Commons on 18
July 2016.
May I start by welcoming the right
hon. Member for Maidenhead (Mrs May) and congratulating her on her appointment
as Prime Minister? I wish her well in that position, and I am glad that her
election was quick and short.
The motion today is one of enormous
importance to this country and indeed the wider world. There is nothing
particularly new in it—the principle of nuclear weapons was debated in 2007—but
this is an opportunity to scrutinise the Government. The funds involved in
Trident renewal are massive. We must also consider the complex moral and
strategic issues of our country possessing weapons of mass destruction. There
is also the question of its utility. Do these weapons of mass destruction—for
that is what they are—act as a deterrent to the threats we face, and is that
deterrent credible?
The motion says nothing about the
ever-ballooning costs. In 2006, the MOD estimated that construction costs would
be £20 billion, but by last year that had risen by 50% to £31 billion, with
another £10 billion added as a contingency fund. The very respected hon. Member
for Reigate (Crispin Blunt) has estimated the cost at £167 billion, though it
is understood that delays might have since added to those credible figures—I
have seen estimates as high as over £200 billion for the replacement and the
running costs.
James Cartlidge (South Suffolk) (Con)
Is not the true cost the one we remember
every Remembrance Sunday—the millions of lives we lost in two world wars? Would
the right hon. Gentleman care to estimate the millions of lives that would have
been lost in the third conventional war that was avoided before 1989 because of
the nuclear deterrent?
Jeremy Corbyn
We all remember, on Remembrance Sunday
and at other times, those who lost their lives. That is the price of war. My
question is: does our possession of nuclear weapons make us and the world more
secure? [Hon. Members: “Yes!”] Of course, there is a debate about that,
and that is what a democratic Parliament does—it debates the issues. I am
putting forward a point of view. The hon. Gentleman might not agree with it,
but I am sure he will listen with great respect, as he always does.
Ian Paisley
In the past, the Labour leader’s
solution to a domestic security threat was to parley with the Provisional IRA.
What would his tactics be in dealing with a threat to all the peoples of this
nation?
Jeremy Corbyn
Towards the end of her speech, the
Prime Minister mentioned the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and multilateral
disarmament. I was interested in that. Surely we should start from the basis
that we want, and are determined to bring about, a nuclear-free world.
Six-party talks are going on with North Korea. China is a major economic
provider to North Korea. I would have thought that the relationship with China
and North Korea was the key to finding a way forward.
James Berry (Kingston and Surbiton)
(Con)
How would the right hon. Gentleman persuade
my thousands of Korean constituents that it is a good idea to disarm
unilaterally while their families and friends living in our ally South Korea
face a constant nuclear threat from a belligerent regime over their northern
border?
Jeremy Corbyn
I, too, have Korean constituents, as
do many others, and we welcome their work and participation in our society. I
was making the point that the six-party talks are an important way forward in
bringing about a peace treaty on the Korean peninsula, which is surely in
everybody’s interests. It will not be easy—I fully understand that—but
nevertheless it is something we should be trying to do.
I would be grateful if the Prime
Minister, or the Defence Secretary when he replies, could let us know the
Government’s estimate of the total lifetime cost of what we are being asked to
endorse today.
Mr Shailesh Vara (North West
Cambridgeshire) (Con)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give
way?
Jeremy Corbyn
No.
It is hardly surprising that in May
2009, an intense debate went on in the shadow Cabinet about going for a less
expensive upgrade by converting to air-launched missiles. The right hon. Member
for Mid Sussex (Sir Nicholas Soames) said at the time that
“the arguments have not yet been had
in public in nearly an adequate enough way to warrant the spending of this
nation’s treasure on the scale that will be required.”—[Official Report, 20
April 2009; Vol. 491, c. 84.]
Seven years later, we are perhaps in
the same situation.
The motion proposes an open-ended
commitment to maintain Britain’s current nuclear capability for as long as the
global security situation demands. We on the Opposition Benches, despite our
differences on some issues, have always argued for the aim of a nuclear-free
world. We might differ on how to achieve it, but we are united in our
commitment to that end.
In 2007, my right hon. Friend the
Member for Derby South (Margaret Beckett) embarked on a meaningful attempt to
build consensus for multilateral disarmament. Will the Government address where
these successor submarines are going to be based? The people of Scotland have
rejected Trident’s being based in Faslane naval base on the Clyde—the SNP
Government are opposed to it, as is the Scottish Labour party.
We are debating not a nuclear
deterrent but our continued possession of weapons of mass destruction. We are
discussing eight missiles and 40 warheads, with each warhead believed to be
eight times as powerful as the atomic bomb that killed 140,000 people in
Hiroshima in 1945. We are talking about 40 warheads, each one with a capacity
to kill more than 1 million people.
What, then, is the threat that we face
that will be deterred by the death of more than 1 million people? It is not the
threat from so-called Islamic State, with its poisonous death-cult that glories
in killing as many people as possible, as we have seen brutally from Syria to
east Africa and from France to Turkey. It has not deterred our allies Saudi
Arabia from committing dreadful acts in Yemen. It did not stop Saddam Hussein’s
atrocities in the 1980s or the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. It did not deter the
war crimes in the Balkans in the 1990s, nor the genocide in Rwanda. I make it
clear today that I would not take a decision that killed millions of innocent
people. I do not believe that the threat of mass murder is a legitimate way to
go about dealing with international relations.
Mr Jamie Reed (Copeland) (Lab)
As Leader of the Opposition, my right
hon. Friend will be privy to briefings from the National Security Council. Will
he explain when he last sought and received such a briefing and what is his
assessment of the new Russian military nuclear protocols that permit first
strike using nuclear weapons and that say that they can be used to de-escalate
conventional military conflicts?
Jeremy Corbyn
Britain, too, currently retains the
right to first strike, so I would have thought that the best way forward would
be to develop the nuclear non-proliferation treaty into a no first strike
situation. That would be a good way forward. I respect my hon. Friend’s wish to
live in a nuclear-free world. I know he believes that very strongly.
I think we should take our commitments
under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty very seriously. In 1968, the Labour
Government led by Harold Wilson inaugurated and signed the non-proliferation
treaty. In 2007, the then Foreign Secretary, my right hon. Friend the Member
for Derby South rightly said that
“we must strengthen the NPT in all its
aspects”
and referred to the judgment made 40
years ago
“that the eventual abolition of
nuclear weapons was in all of our interests.”
The then Labour Government committed
to reduce our stocks of operationally available warheads by a further 20%. I
congratulate our Government on doing that. Indeed, I attended an NPT review
conference when those congratulations were spoken. Can the Government say what
the Labour Foreign Secretary said in 2007 when she said that her
“commitment to the vision of a world
free of nuclear weapons is undimmed”?
Is this Government’s vision of a
nuclear-free world undimmed? My right hon. Friend also spoke as Foreign
Secretary of the
“international community’s clear
commitment to a Middle East Nuclear Weapons Free Zone”.
Several hon. Members rose—
Jeremy Corbyn
I will not give way.
Indeed, at the last two nuclear
non-proliferation treaty five-yearly review conferences there was unanimous
support for a weapons of mass destruction-free zone across the middle east,
which is surely something that we can sign up to and support. I look forward to
the Defence Secretary’s support for that position when he responds to the
debate.
Neil Coyle (Bermondsey and Old
Southwark) (Lab)
My right hon. Friend is speaking about
previous party policy. At the shadow Cabinet meeting last Tuesday, it was
agreed that current party policy would be conveyed by Front Benchers. When will
we hear it?
Jeremy Corbyn
I thank my hon. Friend for his view.
As he well knows, the party decided that it wanted to support the retention of
nuclear weapons. We also decided that we would have a policy review, which is
currently being undertaken by my hon. Friend the Member for Norwich South
(Clive Lewis).
My hon. Friend the Member for
Bermondsey and Old Southwark (Neil Coyle) is as well aware as I am of the
existing policy. He is also as well aware as I am of the views on nuclear
weapons that I expressed very clearly at the time of the leadership election
last year, hence the fact that Labour Members will have a free vote this
evening.
Other countries have made serious
efforts—
Angela Smith (Penistone and Stocksbridge)
(Lab)
Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Jeremy Corbyn
I will come to my hon. Friend in a
moment.
Other countries have made serious
efforts to bring about nuclear disarmament within the terms of the nuclear
non-proliferation treaty. South Africa abandoned all its nuclear programmes
after the end of apartheid, and thus brought about a nuclear weapons-free zone
throughout the continent. After negotiation, Libya ended all research on
nuclear weapons. At the end of the cold war, Ukraine gave up its nuclear
weapons, although they were under the control of the former Soviet Union and,
latterly, of Russia. Kazakhstan did the same, which helped to bring about a
central Asia nuclear weapons-free zone, and in Latin America, Argentina and
Brazil both gave up their nuclear programmes.
I commend the Government, and other
Governments around the world who negotiated with Iran, seriously, with great
patience and at great length. That helped to encourage Iran to give up its
nuclear programme, and I think we should pay tribute to President Obama for his
achievements in that regard.
The former Conservative Defence
Secretary Michael Portillo said:
“To say we need nuclear weapons in
this situation would imply that Germany and Italy are trembling in their boots
because they don’t have a nuclear deterrent, which I think is clearly not the
case.”
Is it not time for us to step up to
the plate and promote—rapidly—nuclear disarmament?
Mr Kevan Jones
Like me, my right hon. Friend stood in
May 2015 on the basis of a party policy which had been agreed at our
conference, through our mechanisms in the party, and which supported the
renewal of our continuous at-sea deterrent. He now has a shadow Front Bench and
a shadow Cabinet in his own image, who, I understand, agreed last week to present
that policy from the Front Bench. Is he going to do it, or will it be done by
the Member who winds up the debate?
Jeremy Corbyn
My hon. Friend is well aware of what
the policy was. He is also well aware that a policy review is being undertaken,
and he is also well aware of the case that I am making for nuclear disarmament.
Caroline Lucas
As the right hon. Gentleman will know,
a multilateral process is currently taking place at the United Nations. More
than 130 countries are negotiating, in good faith, for a treaty to ban nuclear
weapons. Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the Government’s refusal even
to attend, let alone take part in, that process raises serious questions about
their commitment to a world without nuclear weapons?
Jeremy Corbyn
I think it is a great shame that the
Government do not attend those negotiations, and I wish they would. I thank
them for attending the 2014 conference on the humanitarian effects of war, and
I thank them for their participation in the non-proliferation treaty, but I
think they should go and support the idea of a worldwide ban on nuclear
weapons. No one in the House actually wants nuclear weapons. The debate is
about how one gets rid of them, and the way in which one does it.
There are questions, too, about the
operational utility of nuclear armed submarines. [Interruption.] I ask
the Prime Minister again—or perhaps the Secretary of State for Defence can
answer this question in his response—what assessment the Government have made
of the impact of underwater drones, the surveillance of wave patterns and other
advanced detection techniques that could make the submarine technology—[Interruption.]
Mr Speaker
Order. Mr Shelbrooke, I want you to
aspire to the apogee of statesmanship, but shrieking from a sedentary position,
despite your magnificent suit, is not the way to achieve it. Calm yourself,
man; I am trying to help you, even if you don’t know it.
Jeremy Corbyn
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Can the Prime Minister confirm whether
the UK will back the proposed nuclear weapons ban treaty, which I understand
will be put before the UN General Assembly in September—probably before we
return to the House after the summer recess? That is an important point.
Alberto Costa (South Leicestershire)
(Con)
We can all agree that nuclear weapons
are truly the most repugnant weapons that have ever been invented by man, but
the key is the word “invented”; we cannot disinvent them, but we can control
them, and that is what this is all about—controlling nuclear weapons.
Jeremy Corbyn
If this is all about controlling them,
perhaps we should think for a moment about the obligations we have signed up to
as a nation by signing the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, article VI of
which says that the declared nuclear weapons states—of which we are one—must
take steps towards disarmament, and others must not acquire nuclear weapons. It
has not been easy, but the NPT has helped to reduce the level of nuclear
weapons around the world.
Mr Angus Brendan MacNeil (Na
h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
I am stunned to hear the argument that
has just been made from the Tory Benches that we cannot disinvent nuclear
weapons. That argument could be employed for chemical and biological weapons.
Jeremy Corbyn
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely
right. We have achieved the chemical weapons convention, a ban on cluster
weapons and other things around the world through serious long-term
negotiation.
Angela Smith
My right hon. Friend is fond of
telling us all that the party conference is sovereign when it comes to party
policy. Last year the party conference voted overwhelmingly in favour of
maintaining the nuclear deterrent, so why are we not hearing a defence of the
Government’s motion?
Jeremy Corbyn
Party policy is also to review our
policies. That is why we have reviews.
We also have to look at the issues of
employment and investment. We need Government intervention through a defence
diversification agency, as we had under the previous Labour Government, to
support industries that have become over-reliant on defence contracts and wish
to move into other contracts and other work.
The Prime Minister mentioned the Unite
policy conference last week, which I attended. Unite, like other unions, has
members working in all sectors of high-tech manufacturing, including the
defence sector. That, of course, includes the development of both the
submarines and the warheads and nuclear reactors that go into them. Unite’s
policy conference endorsed its previous position of opposing Trident but
wanting a Government who will put in place a proper diversification agency. The
union has been thinking these things through and wants to maintain the highly
skilled jobs in the sector.
Our defence review is being undertaken
by my hon. Friend the Member for Norwich South. I also pay tribute to my hon. Friend
the Member for Islington South and Finsbury (Emily Thornberry) for her
excellent work on the review. [Interruption.] Whatever people’s views—
Caroline Flint rose—
Jeremy Corbyn
Alright, I will give way—[Interruption.]
Mr Speaker
Order. I think the right hon.
Gentleman has signalled an intention to take an intervention, but before he
does—[Interruption.] Order. I just make the point that there is a lot of
noise, but at the last reckoning—[Interruption.]
Order. I will tell the hon. Member for
Bolsover (Mr Skinner) what the position is, and he will take it whether he
likes it or not. Fifty-three Members wish to speak in this debate, and I want
to accommodate them. I ask Members to take account of that to help each other.
Caroline Flint
Under the last Labour Government,
because of our stand on supporting non-proliferation, as a nuclear deterrent
country we were able to influence a large reduction in the number of nuclear
warheads around the world. Does my right hon. Friend really think that if we
abandoned our position as one of the countries that holds nuclear weapons, we
would have as much influence without them as with them?
Jeremy Corbyn
We did indeed help to reduce the
number of nuclear warheads. Indeed, I attended a number of conferences where
there were British Government representatives, and the point was made that the
number of UK warheads had been reduced and other countries had been encouraged
to do the same. I talked about the nuclear weapons-free zones that had been
achieved around the world, which are a good thing. However, there is now a step
change, because we are considering saying that we are prepared to spend a very
large sum on the development of a new generation of nuclear weapons. I draw my
right hon. Friend’s attention to article VI of the NPT—I am sure she is aware
of it—which requires us to “take steps towards disarmament”. That is what it
actually says.
Simon Hoare (North Dorset) (Con)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give
way?
Jeremy Corbyn
I am not going to give way any more,
because I am up against the clock.
In case it is not obvious to the
House, let me say that I will be voting against the motion tonight. I am sure
that will be an enormous surprise to the whole House. I will do that because of
my own views and because of the way—
Mr Jamie Reed
On a point of order, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker
I apologise for having to interrupt
the right hon. Gentleman, but we have a point of order.
Mr Reed
I seek your guidance, Mr Speaker, on
the accuracy of the language used by the Leader of the Opposition. We are not
voting tonight on new nuclear warheads; we are voting simply on the submarines
used to deploy those missiles. That is fundamentally different from new
missiles.
Mr Speaker
The answer to the hon. Gentleman is
that it is up to each right hon. and hon. Member to read the motion, interpret
it as he or she thinks fit, and make a judgment accordingly. It is not a matter
for the Chair.
Jeremy Corbyn
The issue of course is the submarines,
but it is also the new weapons that will have to go into those submarines as
and when they have been built—if they are built.
We should pause for a moment to think
about the indiscriminate nature of what nuclear weapons do and the catastrophic
effects of their use anywhere. As I said, I have attended NPT conferences and
preparatory conferences at various times over many years, with representatives
of all parties in the House. I was very pleased when the coalition Government
finally, if slightly reluctantly, accepted the invitation to take part in the
humanitarian effects of war conference in Vienna in 2014. Anyone who attended
that conference and heard from British nuclear test veterans, Pacific islanders
or civilians in Russia or the United States who have suffered the effects of
nuclear explosions cannot be totally dispassionate about the effects of the use
of nuclear weapons. A nuclear weapon is an indiscriminate weapon of mass
destruction.
Many colleagues throughout the House
will vote for weapons tonight because they believe they serve a useful military
purpose. But to those who believe in multilateral disarmament, I ask this: is
this not an unwise motion from the Government, giving no answers on costs and
no answers on disarmament? For those of us who believe in aiming for a
nuclear-free world, and for those who are deeply concerned about the spiralling
costs, this motion has huge questions to answer, and they have failed to be
addressed in this debate. If we want a nuclear weapons-free world, this is an
opportunity to start down that road and try to bring others with us, as has
been achieved to some extent over the past few decades. Surely we should make
that effort rather than go down the road the Government are suggesting for us
this evening.”
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